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Dual-Boot Your HP TouchSmart With Windows Vista and Windows 7 in Three Easy Steps
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If you're a TouchSmart owner, chances are you're fairly excited about Microsoft's upcoming successor to Vista, Windows 7. In fact, you may even know that you can take Windows 7 for a test drive right now by installing the Windows 7 Release Candidate (RC)*. However, if you've been hesitant to try Windows 7 just because you don't want to reformat your PC or completely leave Vista behind until the final version, that's no reason to delay. In three easy steps, you can set up your TouchSmart to run both Windows Vista AND 7... without having to reformat and start over.
Setting up a PC with two operating systems may sound difficult, but actually, it's quite the contrary.
*NOTE: Microsoft is no longer offering the Windows 7 Release Candidate for direct download. If you want to try dual booting your TouchSmart with Windows 7, you'll either need to find the RC elsewhere or wait until the official version is released on October 22nd.
Dual-Booting Basics
Dual booting a computer means to have two operating systems installed. Upon boot, you make a selection as to which OS you'd like to run. Many Linux enthusiasts commonly set up their computers to run their Linux distro(s) of choice along side some variant of Windows, while some OS X users dual boot their Macs with Windows XP. Really, you can install any combination of operating systems.
Now, you may have heard about running another OS in a virtual machine, which is different from dual-booting setups. A virtual machine allows you to divide your computer's resources and virtualize hardware to run two different operating systems at the same time (like an older version of Windows inside of Vista). Dual-boot setups don't share resources since you choose which OS you want to boot at start, and only run one at a time.
If you're new to the concept of dual-booting, you should know that you can't install two operating systems on the same volume. They either need to be in separate partitions or on separate drives. The HP TouchSmart ships with one internal hard drive, and since it doesn't have room for more, that only leaves two option:
1. Install Windows 7 to an external hard drive.
or
2. Split your current Vista partition.
Considering the TouchSmart has only USB and FireWire ports, I wouldn't recommend using an external drive. It would be pretty slow. So, what we're going to do is go with number 2 and split the Vista partition into two separate partitions.
Step 1 - Shrink Your Vista Partition
Typically you divide drives into partitions BEFORE installing an operating system, but since the goal here is to get Windows 7 installed without re-installing Vista or losing anything, we'll need to split the partition as it currently is. In the past, this meant aquiring third party software. However, a lesser known fact about Vista is that it does have the ability to divide and combine existing partitions on the fly... with a few restirictions and caveats.
Disclaimer: Any time you're resizing partitions, there is a slight chance you could experience complete data loss. I recommend you back up any important files before you continue.
If you're going to install Windows 7 mostly to play around with and evaluate, you'll probably want to have at least 30 GB of free space on your new partition, though I'd recommend reserving 40GB if you have the space available.
First, let's take a look at how much Vista will allow you to shrink your current partition. To do that, open the Vista Disk Management utility: Start --> Right click on Computer --> Click Manage --> Select Disk Management under Computer Management --> Right click on C:\ --> Select Shrink Volume.
Look for the number in the box labeled "Size of available shrink space in MB." If that number is currently bigger than say 30,000 MB, then you're good to go. Type in the value in MB you wish to shrink your partition and let 'er rip. (NOTE: Make sure you leave enough space on your Vista partition to continue using it, and to also download the Windows 7 RC ISO).

If you're told you can only shrink your Vista partition by a value smaller than what you're hoping for, you either don't have enough free space to shrink it down, or there isn't enough contigous free space available. If it's the former, you may need to clean house a little bit and remove some gargbage and/or unwanted files. If it's the latter, run the Windows Disk Cleanup utility and then defragment your hard drive and try again.
Once your primary partition has been shrunk, we're now ready to download the Windows 7 RC.
Step 2 - Download the Windows 7 Release Candidate*
I recommend only downloading the Windows 7 RC directly from Microsoft. There's no reason to risk downloading malware infested ISO files from the Torrent networks when you can get it straight from the source. Go here, and only here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx
At the bottom of the page, you'll be presented with the option to download the 32 or 64-bit version of Windows7. Choose the 64-bit option for the TouchSmart PC IQ500/800 series.
In order to download the Windows 7 RC ISO, you'll need a Windows Live ID. It's easy to get if you on't already have one. Be sure to write down the product key you're presented after logging in with your Live ID.
Once your download is complete. The ISO file must be burned to a DVD before you can install it. If you don't have software capable of buring ISO files to a blank DVD, the free ImgBurn utility is all you need.
*NOTE: Microsoft is no longer offering the Windows 7 Release Candidate for direct download. If you want to try dual booting your TouchSmart with Windows 7, you'll either need to find the RC elsewhere or wait until the official version is released on October 22nd.
Step 3 -Install Windows 7
Now that you've prepared your Windows 7 Installation disc, you're ready to install it.
Insert the Windows 7 RC install DVD into your DVD drive, then restart the computer. Depending on your computer, it may or may not be set to scan the optical drive for bootable media during start up. Refer to your computer's manual for instructions on how to boot from the optical drive. It may require changes in the BIOS or pressing a function key on boot.
Once you've booted into the installer, choose the unpartitioned space when asked where you wish to install Windows 7. The installer will automatically set it up as a new NTFS partition.
Believe it or not, that's it. Let the installer do it's thing and finish. Your TouchSmart will reboot several times during the installation process.

When complete, you'll have the option of booting into Windows 7 or Windows Vista (with all your programs, settings, and files just as they were).
Looking for more information on where to go now that you have Windows 7 installed? Check out our Windows 7 beta testers group right here at TouchSmart Community!
pretty sure the upgrade license is for only one pc at a time. So you'd have to activate it on each machine therefore deactivating it on the previous installs. The only way around it is to purchase a volume license copy, usually what IT does for businesses. Personally, I've always stayed away from the upgrade path. I tried the latest RC upgrade on my tx2z and a lot of junk was carried over which effectively made the pc much slower booting, shutting down and in use. I've had this issue in all previous versions of windows dating back to the win95 from 311 upgrade. The good news back then was it only required you owned the previous version and allowed for a fresh install. Nowadays it seems you gotta upgrade straight from the existing OS. There are several articles floating in the forums here talking about this subject. Save your money and just get the RC. It's good until March next year.
wrtfreeman said: I'm pre-ordering the upgrade. Do I need one for each computer, or can the upgrade be applied to more than one machine?
Each upgrade is a single license, for a single machine, you can not install it on multiple PCs
Hope that helps.
Diane
Thanks spaid and Diane, it helps. I do have the RC as dual boot on an HP DV9700 laptop with a second drive. I might try the partition on my touchsmart to see 7 there as well. On the laptop it seems to work pretty well, but I can't take advantage of the touch capabilities there, it's just a 17 inch laptop.
I'm new here and this is my first post..I have an IQ816 and have had it for a about 4 months and have gone through the usual freezing and starting troubles and have found when it doesn't start after I click onto my user and log in that if I start it up all over again I go to safe mode and let it open and then do a re-start from safe mode and it usually loads up ok..it took 2 tries to get the SP2 in...I stick to the 32bit version of IE7 because some programs don't like the 64bit version as well as the IE8 version..since I loaded in Norton 360 things work a little better because I use 360's things like controlling what loads on the start up and let the other start up programs load a little later and there are a few other things that the 360 does for checking the condition and cleaning up of the computer..I would like to do the dual boot with windows 7..have any of you found when using the windows 7 that it has problems with things like Norton and another program...another program that I use is Roxio Easy Creator 10 that doesn't like IE8 which is why I'll stay with IE7..another question, if we find any problems with windows 7, can it be un-installed easy or do I have to do a complete re-install of my original system..I do regular back-ups with a external 1TB HD..any other advise would be very appreciated...thanks in advance.
I did the dual boot and found out windows 7 had no email like the past products...too bad because it was easy and I could do lots with outlook and I hate other emails like g-mail, yahoo, etc...also I found out I couldn't use the screen saver because it told me I needed a newer video card or one that is compatible with direct 3D...also I would have to get an anti-virus for this test version and to try my other things like Roxio Easy Creator 10 was going to be a pain in the butt because I'd have to play with all this and I don't have the time...when I had XP, windows had a program that would look at my PC and tell me if I could upgrade to Vista and what changes I'd have to make..after a day of windows 7 I had to do a fresh re-boot of my PC...I will stick to Vista until all is straightened out with windows 7.
Buster said: I did the dual boot and found out windows 7 had no email like the past products...too bad because it was easy and I could do lots with outlook and I hate other emails like g-mail, yahoo, etc...also I found out I couldn't use the screen saver because it told me I needed a newer video card or one that is compatible with direct 3D...also I would have to get an anti-virus for this test version and to try my other things like Roxio Easy Creator 10 was going to be a pain in the butt because I'd have to play with all this and I don't have the time...when I had XP, windows had a program that would look at my PC and tell me if I could upgrade to Vista and what changes I'd have to make..after a day of windows 7 I had to do a fresh re-boot of my PC...I will stick to Vista until all is straightened out with windows 7.
According to this post at CNET, MS has stripped the Mail, Video Editing, and photo editing programs from Windows 7, and will offer them as a separate (free) download called Windows Live Essentials. I can only guess the reasoning for this is to further protect themselves from anti-trust lawsuits.
There are also many alternatives for these programs (free and paid).
It's important to still point out that Win 7, as of now, is a Beta. The instructions I've provided allow you to section off your drive so you can keep Vista around but still play with Win 7 (without having format your drive or reload from scratch).Mind Over Matt'er - Technology musings, opinion, and more straight from TechLore's head geek.
I realize win 7 is still beta but for me there isn't a lot to try for now because I'd have to load in an anti-virus to protect my PC and other programs that I normally use I'm sure are not compatible right now and my video card isn't compatible so once the final version is released then we'll see what hardware and software will be compatible..following Windows instruction of uninstalling win 7, were to restore my system and to do that I had to restore from my restore discs I created when I got my PC...on a side note, I see google is planning on making a system to go up against Microsoft...LQQKS like things will be interesting soon.
Buster said: I realize win 7 is still beta but for me there isn't a lot to try for now because I'd have to load in an anti-virus to protect my PC and other programs that I normally use I'm sure are not compatible right now and my video card isn't compatible so once the final version is released then we'll see what hardware and software will be compatible..following Windows instruction of uninstalling win 7, were to restore my system and to do that I had to restore from my restore discs I created when I got my PC...on a side note, I see google is planning on making a system to go up against Microsoft...LQQKS like things will be interesting soon.
The vast majoirty of programs complatible with Vista should work on Win 7, as well as most drivers.
Google is making an OS targeted at netbooks. They haven't announced anything more ambitions than that... yet.
Mind Over Matt'er - Technology musings, opinion, and more straight from TechLore's head geek.
SO Ill admit Im definately new at the whole dual-boot process so Im thinking about doing it but not sure yet. One question though, if I dont like the Windows 7 can I just remove it with out having to reformat and it just go back to the same way it was with just Vista? Or am I going to have to remove both Vista and Windows 7, and reinstall Vista again?
Kittie said: SO Ill admit Im definately new at the whole dual-boot process so Im thinking about doing it but not sure yet. One question though, if I dont like the Windows 7 can I just remove it with out having to reformat and it just go back to the same way it was with just Vista? Or am I going to have to remove both Vista and Windows 7, and reinstall Vista again?
You won't need to re-install Vista. Removing the Win 7 partition and reclaiming the space in your primary partition is actually pretty simple. Worst case is you end up with a few glitches in the bootloader, which is also fairly simple to fix with the right resources.
This article walks through it pretty well, just follow page 5 and 6.
http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_vista_and_xp_with_vista_installed_first__t...
Mind Over Matt'er - Technology musings, opinion, and more straight from TechLore's head geek.
Kittie said: SO Ill admit Im definately new at the whole dual-boot process so Im thinking about doing it but not sure yet. One question though, if I dont like the Windows 7 can I just remove it with out having to reformat and it just go back to the same way it was with just Vista? Or am I going to have to remove both Vista and Windows 7, and reinstall Vista again?
here's what happened with me...I followed the dual boot mod here and had no trouble installing it as described on this site...and then got this info from the windows site to load it..
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/installation-instructions.aspx
after I found the short comings for me I went to this site...
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/installation-instructions.aspx
and I followed the instructions and couldn't un-install it and just end up with my previous vista so I ended up reinstalling Vista...
from reading various sites as well as this forum, it seems that it works for some and not for others...my PC is about 5 months old and is an IQ816 Touch Smart with software build 84NAv6XrA1 and I have all the updates for windows and SP2 and all the HP updates that I know of for this pc except the new one which is windows vista hotfix QFE967758 which is the latest one on the HP update program and it fails to load and I have been informed by others that they have the same problem...my hard drive is 760gb which I believe they no longer use and I had lots of drive space for the partition...good luck with the dual boot if you go with it...as far as compatibility problems my video card is not compatible for just doing a screen saver and my Easy Creator 10 which I did not try to load is not compatible with IE8 which I found out the hard way about a year ago and I know my NVIDIA GeForce wouldn't take a driver up date for this PC because it is only a 32bit device that came with my 64bit system...so you can see my troubles can be different from others who my have different components on their PC.
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check this site out and this may help with the dual boot and may be the answer why I had a problem with mine [which I no longer have installed and am just back to original vista]...I was having problems with my NVIDIA GeForce 9300M GS..October isn't that far away and I will wait and see if I go win.7 then.
http://www.brockett.net/?p=637
yeah, this is really helpful, thanks. also, along with what some others said, i was curious about the removing win 7 as well. is the process to remove that os as easy as it is installing it?
i plan to use dual boot mode until october, after which i'll be installing win 7 in place of both vista and the rc.
and as a side note, does having both os's slow down the computer?
careyl said: yeah, this is really helpful, thanks. also, along with what some others said, i was curious about the removing win 7 as well. is the process to remove that os as easy as it is installing it? i plan to use dual boot mode until october, after which i'll be installing win 7 in place of both vista and the rc. and as a side note, does having both os's slow down the computer?
Your first question about removal I've answered a few posts up.
Having both OSs installed in a dual boot fashion does not hinder performance, since you boot one or the other.
Mind Over Matt'er - Technology musings, opinion, and more straight from TechLore's head geek.
as well my earlier posts have my experiences and the sites I followed to load it and remove it and things like my NVIDIA card not working out for me and getting a anti-virus for win.7...I see Norton has a bata anti-virus for win.7 that you can try for free..go to Norton's site...more things are now happening for win.7 now and more info is getting out there for us..I just don't have the time right now to play with it all so I will wait a bit...good luck to all.
Hey
I have a problem to partition my hard drive. It originally 450 Gb and there shows 220 Gb free space. However, when I use disk mangage and try to shrink it. It only shows me I have about 10 Gb available to shrink. I do not understand why.
Can you help me out?
Thanks,
huanhuan19 said: Hey I have a problem to partition my hard drive. It originally 450 Gb and there shows 220 Gb free space. However, when I use disk mangage and try to shrink it. It only shows me I have about 10 Gb available to shrink. I do not understand why. Can you help me out? Thanks,If you're told you can only shrink your Vista partition by a value smaller than what you're hoping for, you either don't have enough free space to shrink it down, or there isn't enough contigous free space available. If it's the former, you may need to clean house a little bit and remove some gargbage and/or unwanted files. If it's the latter, run the Windows Disk Cleanup utility and then defragment your hard drive and try again.
Mind Over Matt'er - Technology musings, opinion, and more straight from TechLore's head geek.
I tried the shrink-option aswell. At first, it showed me somewhere around 45 gigs where available to shrink (while I have 150 gigs of disk space available). Of course, not nearly enough for a W7 partition. I ran disk cleanup which got me rid of 10 gigs. I also ran disk defragmentation which took the machine more than two hours (I just left it running when I went to bed and it was finished by the time I got up).
The funny (although frustrating) thing is that now I cleaned up my disk and defragmented it (at least, that's what Vista makes me believe) the available shrink size is now 30 gigs :S The whole thing especially suprises me because I only used it for a couple of weeks since buying it..
Will I have more succes if I use a third party tool like Partition Magic? Maybe Vista's shrink option only uses free contiguous space instead of moving clusters to create it. Am I right? Maybe this should be mentioned in the tutorial somewhere aswell as reccomendations for (free) 3rd party partiononing software. Thanks in advance!
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