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maverick

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I bought a new HP TouchMart600 desktop about 6 months ago.   From the start, I've had speed issues.  What happens is that when I boot up, it's fine, but eventually, the web browsing slows down to a crawl and the mouse becomse slow and jerky.  I then check Windows Task Manager and it shows me that each Explorer web page is taking up like 200,000K.  So for some reason, the memory usage per page jumps to a ridiculous level.  And I'm just doing simple, simple things like Googling or gmail.    I can end the webpage with super high memory and that works for a few minutes, but eventually another webpage starts building huge memory size.  The only fix then is to unplug and plug the modem and reboot.   I have super high speed internet -- the Turbo package from TimeWarner Roadrunner with wireless option.    At first, I thought it was a TimeWarner issue and they replaced the modem, but same problem.   I'm thinking now that it has to be an HP issue.

Has anyone else had this problem and can advise me on a fix?  I'm sure there must be a simple explanation of why web pages start accuring enormous amounts of memory.  

Thanks!

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August 15, 2010 8:19 AM updated: August 15, 2010 8:19 AM

maverick said:  At first, I thought it was a TimeWarner issue and they replaced the modem, but same problem.   I'm thinking now that it has to be an HP issue. Has anyone else had this problem and can advise me on a fix?  I'm sure there must be a simple explanation of why web pages start accuring enormous amounts of memory.   Thanks!

What AV and antimalware products are  you using?
When did you last use them to run a full scan on the system?
Do you know they're up to date?
Are you plugged in via wired or wireless?

Those are my first thoughts on your issue, and answers that will really help us point you in the right direction. Virus or malware is #1 on my list.

August 15, 2010 9:26 AM

Thanks for the quick reply. I don't think it's a virus or malware. Why? Because I have the latest and maximum strength version of Norton Internet Security. It also automatically updates itself on the latest fixes from Norton. Full system scans are done regularly and automatically (last one was done yesterday). Unless there's some setting within Norton Internet Security that needs to be adjusted (I'm using the recommended settings without adjustment).

I'm plugged in via wireless modem (though I'm not at a remote location -- it's a desktop that sits inches from the wireless modem).

August 15, 2010 9:29 AM

P.S. When the system becomes slow and jerky, I also get "farting" or electronic squelching noises when I play music or video. Very, very annoying and makes me think I erred in buying HP instead of Apple.

August 15, 2010 12:09 PM

Just because you're running Norton Internet Security that doesn't mean you're clean, try Malware Bytes just for the heck of it.

There's nothing inherently wrong with buying HP, it's not like every unit is a dog or they experience common failures, but modern PCs are complicated beasts, and they're not always really good at tell you what's wrong with them.

HP took some big risks with the Touchsmart line, they were first out the door with usable touch units and an application suite that is, well, pretty sweet :-) Apple really has nothing like it, and the other PC manufacturers are still trying to catch up.

The noises and stuttering you're hearing with music or video is the same byproduct of running out of resources that you're having with IE.

Here are some tests:
Disconnect it from the internet 100% and play music or watch videos, do things work better?
Test with wireless off using a network cable, does the issue go away?

I think you have something, and the IE resource issues suggest to me that whatever bug you have is related to IE.

Diane

August 15, 2010 4:02 PM

I'll try those tests and let you know. What does IE stand for? And is Malware Bytes free?

August 15, 2010 4:04 PM

I just realized that you mean Internet Explorer...

August 15, 2010 4:16 PM

It did act better when I unplugged the internet modem. But that just tells me that the HP Touchsmart is not processing Internet Explorer properly. It's allowing too much memory to accumulate until the machine slows to a crawl. I can't believe I'm the first person to have this problem. And again, I had the TimeWarner people come and check -- it's not my modem. So it must be the HP machine. That's why I'm asking you and any others on this forum what the right fix is for this type of problem. I also don't think that it's related to security. Again, all signs point to problems within the HP Touchsmart.

Once again, help!

August 15, 2010 6:17 PM

maverick said: It did act better when I unplugged the internet modem. But that just tells me that the HP Touchsmart is not processing Internet Explorer properly. It's allowing too much memory to accumulate until the machine slows to a crawl. I can't believe I'm the first person to have this problem. And again, I had the TimeWarner people come and check -- it's not my modem. So it must be the HP machine. That's why I'm asking you and any others on this forum what the right fix is for this type of problem. I also don't think that it's related to security. Again, all signs point to problems within the HP Touchsmart. Once again, help!

You're not listening to what I'm saying, if you have a bug, virus, or malware, and IF it's connecting to the internet, that's the cause of your slowdowns.

If when you're not connected to the internet you don't have the issues, then you know it's not anything inherently wrong with the OS or the programs on the PC itself, if it were something wrong with the PC, then it would slow down whether or not it was connected to the internet.

You should be able to google Malware Bytes and get to the right product, I wouldn't have recommended it if it was going to cost you money, it's a great product for personal use.

Diane

August 15, 2010 8:41 PM

Ok. I was just thinking that there could be something that the HP computer is doing vis a vis Internet Explorer, which would only happen when connected to the Internet. Something about the way it batches web pages. But if you say that's not possible, then you're the expert.

I'm going on a business trip but when I return I'll try Malware Bytes and let you know if it changes anything.

Thanks for your help,
Everett

August 17, 2010 7:41 AM

also you can remove some of the startup programs which arent needed,

and easy way to find out the cause is to keep a eye on the windows task manager and see which process is eating away at the ram or cpu

August 23, 2010 9:54 PM

Hi Diane,

I just got back and I installed MalwareBytes (I bought the full version for $25). I just did a scan and it didn't find any infected files. But during the last half hour, I think my system is going faster. My question to you is: does MalwareBytes do anything else besides find infected files? i.e. even though it didn't find any infected files on my system, am I imagining it that it still could be making my system act better? I'm not complaining but am just curious about it.

Thanks,
Everett

August 23, 2010 10:23 PM

maverick said: Hi Diane, I just got back and I installed MalwareBytes (I bought the full version for $25). I just did a scan and it didn't find any infected files. But during the last half hour, I think my system is going faster. My question to you is: does MalwareBytes do anything else besides find infected files? i.e. even though it didn't find any infected files on my system, am I imagining it that it still could be making my system act better? I'm not complaining but am just curious about it. Thanks, Everett

It does nothing behind the scenes, but it's a great product when you get hit by malware.

Diane

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August 26, 2010 6:23 PM

Chuck K said: We are having exactly the same problem. The HP is the slowest computer we have ever owned. The mouse cursor gets jerky, video starts and stops and buzzes. We're ready to throw this thing out and buy a Mac. Clearly, the system resources are getting overwhelmed by something but we haven't been able to figure out what it is. Do HP technicians not jump into these forums and try to provide solutions? I'm skeptical that this is a virus. I've done plenty of detailed virus scans as well as full system diagnoses and nothing shows up. I'm wondering if Adobe software is causing the problem.

Review the items in Task Manager for what is taking the highest memory and CPU cycles, it's the time honored way to review performance issues in Windows, that hasn't changed in over 15 years. This is not standard behavior.

By the same token, if you're having video and internet issues as the OP was, try a hard wired connection in your tests. The OP is specifically having issues with IE and video, when not connected to the network or using IE, they did not have performance issues, that eliminates the OS and hardware as the cause of their issues.

Diane

August 26, 2010 8:09 PM

Hi Chuck,

I agree with you. I don't think it's a virus either. I installed Malware Bytes and it indicated that I don't have any infected files, and I have the latest version of Norton Internet Security. But still, the system eventually gets slower as before. What happens is that eventually one of the Internet Explorer (IE) pages starts accumulating memory for no reason. Instead of 20,000K or 50,000K, I will find that one page is growing and growing in size. As the system slows, I'll find a single IE page using up 200,000K of memory. It's frustrating and in no way is explained by what I'm doing as I'm just doing normal stuff. Eventually, I have to close all IE pages and try again. Or even unplug the modem and shut down and restart.

Diane is well meaning and very responsive, but I don't find her explanations satisfactory. I agree that it only occurs when connected to the internet, but I don't necessarily agree that it's not an HP issue. Somehow, the HP system is processing IE explorer in some way so as to accumulate memory on a single IE page.

There has to be another explanation other than a virus!

Everett

August 26, 2010 9:31 PM updated: August 26, 2010 9:33 PM

I'm not sure that I can promise you a fix for what you are describing, but here are my thoughts.

It is very typical for any computer to become slow when it runs out of physical memory, because at that point it will attempt to use the hard drive as a "reserve", moving things back and forth between memory (RAM) and the drive. Since hard drives are thousands of times slower than RAM, this will really make you feel the computer is crawling to a halt.

There may be other reasons than malware why Internet Explorer doesn't properly release the memory it uses. Often the cause of this is that you have add-ons installed (perhaps unknowingly or unintentionally) for Internet Explorer that are misbehaving. This can happen with other browsers as well. I've had situations where Firefox ends up using similar amounts of memory as reported in this thread. Once that happens my system (in this case a non-TouchSmart by the way) will slow to a crawl, and the only remedy is to "kill" the Firefox process using Task Manager or the more powerful/insight providing Process Explorer from sysinternals.com.

My suggestion would be to use the Tools button in Internet Explorer to look at "Manage Add-Ons" and perhaps turning all Add-ons off for a while. This may stop your ability to see YouTube videos and other multimedia content on the web, but you may be able to turn the Add-ons back on one by one and by this process of elimination find out which Add-on is behaving badly. And perhaps there is an update available for whichever Add-on that might be.

In general, troubleshooting something like this is pretty difficult without very detailed information as to what precisely is installed on the system, what your habits are of closing programs versus minimizing them/reusing the windows over time, and which websites are involved. Sometimes even the websites themselves can be to blame when they write code for their webpages that are complicated and do a lot of "Web 2.0" stuff. Since asking for that level of detail in a public forum would most likely be a bit insensitive, I'd recommend that you find someone in your circle of trusted friends who is knowledgeable in these things and ask if they'd be willing to help. It really can be a time consuming process to figure out.

Edit/Update: One really simple thing I'm just thinking of now is simply to close Internet Explorer every time you're done using it. That should release the memory it used, even if Add-ons are misbehaving.

August 27, 2010 9:41 PM

Geek TieGuy,

I think you're on to something. I disabled all those stupid add-ons that got placed unwillingly on my HP. It's working so far. I'll keep my fingers crossed!

Thanks
Everett

August 28, 2010 12:03 AM

Hi Everett,

I'm very happy to hear that. Hope you'll be able to enjoy the machine a bit better now. Thanks for letting everyone here know that things are smoother for now.

-G

August 28, 2010 2:04 AM

Hey GeekTieGuy and Maverick, I'm Chuck K's wife and have been stuck with fixing this computer even more than he has. (Between the two of us, we've blown as much as 80 hours since last November on this computer--this week alone accounted for at least nine). So needless to say, I've also been following this thread with interest! While dreaming about the catharsis we'd get if we threw the Touchsmart out the window!

Anyway, I wanted to join Maverick in responding to GeekTieGuy because many of our internet issues were identical. So GeekTieGuy, thanks extremely much for the suggestion on the tools in Internet Explorer. To that I added my husband's suggestion of shutting down all things Adobe that sounded peripheral (we do have the Adobe Creaive Suite 4 installed and Adobe Reader and Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro, which maybe came along with Windows 7), so everything but the main programs. I also went to an Microsoft site and shut down a bunch of startup programs (that was exciting because I had no clue what half of them were). Between all of this, our startup is slightly better, but our internet is definitely much faster. Still hardly what we expect from a pricey computer like this and I have been running into weird glitches maybe every 20 minutes (probably because of everything I shut down), but much faster. So I'm also following your other advice and reinstalling components to see what happens.

We have a bucket of other issues with the Touchsmart (everything from Dashboard to Advisor to Netflix to the NVDIA driver and beyond), but the internet was a big one. So thank you again!!

Diane, I've also been reading your comments with interest, and I agree with Maverick that this is not some bug. By the time Chuck and I joined this forum I had already tried running Malware, and before that/and currently Norton's. I certainly believe the issues are related to the extra stuff that GeekTieGuy recommended addressing under the tools menu.

Also, I'm a little confused on what Malware software you're talking about, but you might want to take a look at their site. FYI I was originally trying to install their free software which I had understood (per a pretty savvy IS guy) could help me clean up our startup times, but it appeared that is no longer available. (Actually, every time I got directed to that screen my internet bombed, and it would be pretty funny if it IS available but I was shutting down because of all the background stuff running). So I had ended up doing the same thing that Maverick did--spend $25 and buy the package, which I was disappointed with as I was more concerned about startup than bugs.

Anyway, if you know anything about what happened to any free Malware software, I'm all ears as I'm still interested in at least one type of it.

Everybody, this has been an interesting (and amazingly fun) thread to read!

August 28, 2010 8:06 AM

http://malwarebytes.org/
Download the free version, and don't choose to activate the paid aspects.

I think the confusion is I'm trying to say that there was nothing inherent in the system that was causing the problem, i.e. hardware or operating system issues, the IE Add-ons had to get added in somewhere, and usually they're malware related, but apparently in your cases they appeared legitimate.

This is always a tough thing to help people with since we have no idea how they're translating what we say, and then what the actual system has installed on it.

HTH
Diane

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