That problem is the gpu overheat, you just need to reflow the chip using a heat source (like a heat air soldering station, dryer, high power lamp...)at 150 ?c or so over 10 minutes. (preferably use a heat shield over the motherboard while heating the chip, you can make one using carton with aluminum paper glued on it and making a small hole to get heat access to the chip).
It works really fine!
PD: I dont recomend to bake it in the oven LOL!!!!
Edit: Quick instructions for "blinking lights" at startup failure:
! Should only be used as a last resort, if your warranty is expired, and you will otherwise be throwing away your laptop !
*METHOD 1 - SLOW BUT A LITTLE SAFER*
1. Remove motherboard from laptop (TX2 Manual: http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01655860.pdf)
2. Remove anything that can come off the motherboard, eg. the CPU, heatsink, and CMOS battery.
3. Bake the motherboard in any oven at 325F for 8 minutes.
4. Reassemble laptop.
Why this works:
I suspect that the TX2 has shotty soldering, which has led to a majority of these problems, it's the same problem that happened with the Xbox 360 and it's "Red Ring of Death". However, if this is the case, then it is likely only a temporary solution.
It seems that the TX2 has a well documented "general error" blinking code (caps lock/num lk blinking in unison).
Recently when narrowing down the cause, I found that it must have been the motherboard, but I could find no indication that the motherboard had shorted, or that any chip had burnt out. So, I decided to reflow the motherboard.
For those unaware, reflowing is where you remove all items that are easy to re-attach to the motherboard (namely the CPU and case) and bake it in the oven. The aim is to melt all of the solder on the board, and allow it to all to reset properly. I personally found 8 minutes at 325F worked.
I have not heard of anyone else trying this, and am hopefully that someone backs up my theory. I believe the TX2's black death screen may be a result of shotty soldering, and NOT the going theory of a gpu failure.
*METHOD 2 - FAST, BETTER FOR EXPERIENCED INDIVIDUALS* as presented by ViolinARC
"used the hair dryer method as well, which worked for a day but it failed again already. This time I used a "jet" torch lighter as seen on one of the YouTube "fixes", which obviously provided a bit more heat to reflow the solder and the system appears to be fully functioning again. I was frustrated (3rd time apart) so I just removed the keyboard this time and CAREFULLY torched the back area where the GPU is connected to the mobo. Reconnected the kb and away she goes!! We'll see how long it lasts but I'm almost sure I won't be fully dissembling my system again cause the "down and dirty" kb removal method seems to be working really well...as for "cooking" the entire mobo in the oven, I'll pass for now.
As I always state in the BMW forums, I hope you find this info useful. If you are unsure of something, ask questions here and someone will most likely help i.e. ME! Anyway, peace and GL..."
Sorry, no pictures so it is hard to do this method if you haven't taken it apart before. The area to hit is immediately to the right of the processor when you take off the keyboard.
Lethal:
Unfortunately don't have access to any other heat source, oven had to do, removed as much from the motherboard as possible of course before doing so.
So is the problem that the GPU overheats, unsoldering the components? And would this mean that the fix is to replace the thermal pad or apply thermal paste instead?
Well, you can fix temp isues removing the black paint from the sink using acetone (5 to 10 C? reduction), buy a nice thermal conductive grease like quick silver, removing the strange GPU rubber and apying some of the thermal paste with a slim piece of copper or aluminium to fill the space between the sink and the GPU chip, the piece must be really slim to no tilt the surface between the CPU and sink.
After this procedure you can reduce the temperature 10 to 20 c? down!
PD: sorry about my english =P
I have to say you are a genius! Your method worked! THis is how I did, I have a TX2-1014AU and had a same blinking led problem right after pass the warranty, I disassembled it several times and restore it but with no luck. After I saw your post, I put the mainboard in oven around at 165℃ for 8 minutes and untill it cool down, then I put it back, magic happened, it recovered, and I am posting this quick reply on it now. Thank you PrototypeNM1, you save me around $400! I now can prove your way is worked!
Hello friend. I have the same problem with my tx2z. I open my note and inspect all the components, and no sucess. How you expose the mainboard to heat source
You can make a tutorial with the method please. Thanks and sorry my poor english, i am brasilian.
Georgemagnus, take the motherboard out of the case, remove the heatsink and cpu from the motherboard, bake the motherboard in an oven as instructed above.
All steps necessary are listed above, in as simple a way as I can write them, so please refer to it, reread it if you it does not make sense the first time you read it.
Also, like I said, this ended up being only a temporary solution for me, I am currently testing to see if the problem re-occurs with a new motherboard.
Pretty good so far. Determined that the thermal pad was too mugged up, so instead had a sheet of copper cut to bridge the gap, thermal past on both sides. Running fine as near as I can tell, aside for some software hickups.
today I faced that BLINKING problem ! Caps Lock/Num Lock LED 1 time (means CPU problem for more info go to this link) :
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01443366&lc=en&dlc=en&cc...
btw
I removed my battery and cable for 10 mins and connected and the laptop is now working again !! but i m afraid to shut down again ..... now i m using the hibernate option ! because last time it was not opening after i turned off my laptop ! what should i do now ??
The problem is most likely from the GPU overheating. Here are your options:
- High Difficulty, High Success: You can do what others have done and try to fix it yourself, voiding all warrantees and such. This involves taking your laptop apart, re-seating the GPU (by heating the GPU area to melt the solder around the pins), adding a metal shim to connect the GPU to the CPU heat sink and then re-assembling your laptop after it cools down.
- Medium Difficulty, High Success: You can also go into the Control Panel in Windows and remove the GPU device from the hardware. This will force Windows to run without using the GPU, but you will get less then desireable graphics capabilities (low number of colors, low resolutions, no fancy graphics, etc.)
- Medium Difficulty, Medium Success: You can go into your BIOS and set your CPU fan to run at max speed all the time (the CPU is right next to the GPU). The noise of the fan at high speed gets annoying after a while and only delays the tiime until the GPU fails again.
- Low Difficulty, Low Success: If you are not technically inclined at all, you can change your usage patters, aka, don't do anything graphics intensive. Adobe Flash will often trigger high GPU usage, so beware of web usage (web browsing to "interactive" sites). No games, no movies on the laptop, nothing requiring fancy graphics at all. IE8 uses the GPU, so avoid IE8.
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demars145866 said: The problem is most likely from the GPU overheating. Here are your options:thank you for a long description ! lol ... i applied the 2nd method ! i removed my ATI driver ... :( but still same problem ... i restarted my windows and again blinking ... after a several try again it responed ! (sory for my bad eng)
- High Difficulty, High Success: You can do what others have done and try to fix it yourself, voiding all warrantees and such. This involves taking your laptop apart, re-seating the GPU (by heating the GPU area to melt the solder around the pins), adding a metal shim to connect the GPU to the CPU heat sink and then re-assembling your laptop after it cools down.
- Medium Difficulty, High Success: You can also go into the Control Panel in Windows and remove the GPU device from the hardware. This will force Windows to run without using the GPU, but you will get less then desireable graphics capabilities (low number of colors, low resolutions, no fancy graphics, etc.)
- Medium Difficulty, Medium Success: You can go into your BIOS and set your CPU fan to run at max speed all the time (the CPU is right next to the GPU). The noise of the fan at high speed gets annoying after a while and only delays the tiime until the GPU fails again.
- Low Difficulty, Low Success: If you are not technically inclined at all, you can change your usage patters, aka, don't do anything graphics intensive. Adobe Flash will often trigger high GPU usage, so beware of web usage (web browsing to "interactive" sites). No games, no movies on the laptop, nothing requiring fancy graphics at all. IE8 uses the GPU, so avoid IE8.
actually my warrenty period expired thats why i m afraid ! and i live is a remote area ... all service centers are too much from from here :( tnak anyways !
Another way to reduce the problem is to reduce the Processor Power Maximum and Minimum state in the Power Options (advanced power settings) and some other options in that tab. (In other words, saying to the computer "Don't use too much juice" is like saying "Don't overuse everything you got" so it's a way to reduce the possibilities of overheating.)
If you do this, you're computer temperature will drop dramatically. (was constantly between 70 and 80 degree celcius and it felt to 45-65)
Just don't forget to change both options for when it's plugged in or on battery.
Excuse me but how much did you remove from the motherboard before baking? And after that how did you reconnect the two small wires that connect the motherboard to the screen (one has a socket but the spot for the other is just flat) Will i need a solder gun? I have a HP touchsmart tx2 1375dx... well I had... Can anyone help me out?
Never mind for the two wires i took a closer look and realised i pulled out one of the wires with its socket... I definitely need a solder gun
Baking the motherboard seems feasible , but... what about all the little white plastic sockets ? they are going to melt at that temperature .. making it impossible to re-connect everything back onto the motherboard! Please advice.
FIXED IT !!!!!!!
Hello everybody
I had the same problem yesterday, but i manage to fix it
Only thing you got to do is to drain out the battery then plug in the power cord and start it.
people still struggling with this issue I recommend to try this it will definitely work guys ...
Twists | I took everything up to and including the processor out.
MiniMe | The directions as I laid them out did not have any plastic-melting problems. Additionally, there are techniques for just baking around the gpu if you're concerned, but the burden is on you to research them. A good start is google'ing resink motherboard.
Nilay | You're describing a separate problem, or else removing the battery would yield the same results.
PrototypeNM1 said: Nilay | You're describing a separate problem, or else removing the battery would yield the same results.
Well I meant i fixed the blinking LED black screen problem not overheating. And 1 more thing removing the battery and draining the battery will NOT give you same results turst me I have tried it. Leave the laptop on till the battery drains then plug in the power plug and it will definately work.
this is for People who have blinking LED and black screen problem and still are struggling to fix it ... this is a alternative solution rather than putting your mobo in oven...
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Just confirmed that this fix is only temporary, will be testing reinstalling the bios, and later replacing the motherboard.