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Neuroniac

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Hello, I ve been using my TS iq816 model since december 26th, without problems until last 2 weeks, it is freezing lets say after 10 minutes of turning it on, ctrl + alt + supr dosn not help to unfreeze. I tried some days ago to burn the recovery discs and it was a really pain because of freezing even when burning disc1, anyways later I could do it and burnt the 3 discs, then I made a full recovery to factory image. Then after 1 day of using it and DOWNLOADING UPDATES for windows vista, ms office 2007, and some hp updates, it started FREEZING  AGAIN.

So I think some of those updates are freezing my new pc, because the first 1 week of using it I didnt have freezing problems.

I need help, dont know what to do right now, I love this iq816, but I had to save for months to buy it and now it is almost impossible to use it because of freezing.

Should I disable updates or maybe is another thing causing the freezing?

I had the Norton updated, but I have to say I hate Norton, I think I will try using Nod32 or Kaspersky.

I would really appreciate your help, I dont want to send it back to store and get my money, but WHAT else can I do to solve this?

THANKS

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January 17, 2009 9:59 AM

Hey, had the same problem with my IQ816. Since it is under warranty for a year, I called HP Tech Support. They sent me a hard drive, that I installed and did NOT fix the freezing/locking up problem. I called back and was instructed to send the computer back to HP. I just got the computer back yesterday, not sure what they did, but it seems to be ok at the moment. Sorry I couldn't help more, but this is the same problem I had with my computer.

January 17, 2009 4:22 PM

The two primary causes for freezing are heat and bad memory. Hard drives can also be a problem but apparently rick ruled that out in his case.

If your setup is not getting good air circulation such as being mounted under a counter in tight quarters or on a desk - such as mine with a roll top - heat can build up and cause it to lock up.

In some cases a bad RAM (memory) module can cause freezups as well.

From a hardware standpoint, bad drivers can be an issue. There was a short period of time a couple days ago that a "finepoint touchscreen" driver showed up as a windows update on several of my non touchscreen computers. Knowing that they were not touch screens I unchecked the download and later in the day the download disappeared from windows update. I read a tech article about it the other day too and will try to find it to see if that may be causing your problem.

Have you tried to install any hardware drivers of your own? Any programs lately?

Thanks,

David

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/xz550rj/HPMagicGiveaway.jpg

Woohoo! I won my Touchsmart!

January 17, 2009 5:59 PM

DaveTN said: The two primary causes for freezing are heat and bad memory. Hard drives can also be a problem but apparently rick ruled that out in his case. If your setup is not getting good air circulation such as being mounted under a counter in tight quarters or on a desk - such as mine with a roll top - heat can build up and cause it to lock up. In some cases a bad RAM (memory) module can cause freezups as well. From a hardware standpoint, bad drivers can be an issue. There was a short period of time a couple days ago that a "finepoint touchscreen" driver showed up as a windows update on several of my non touchscreen computers. Knowing that they were not touch screens I unchecked the download and later in the day the download disappeared from windows update. I read a tech article about it the other day too and will try to find it to see if that may be causing your problem. Have you tried to install any hardware drivers of your own? Any programs lately? Thanks, David

Well, I ran the Hardware Diagnostic Tools and everything is ok, hard drive, motherboard, ram, etc.

I think air circulation is not the problem. This morning I made a System restore to factory image and it is working ok, until now no freezing, I downloaded the windows updates, and the Hp touchsmart latest updates ( more than 120MB), the only programs I have not installed comparing to my last configuration freezing are Microsoft Office 2007, and Mozilla Firefox.

I will stay with these updates from windows vista and touchsmart a little more, and the I will install the ms office 2007 and firefox.

I really think that freezing is more a software than harware problem, and that ms office 2007 and/or updating it is freezing my pc. I need more time to be sure of this.

Thanks for your help, I will not give-up until found what is freezing my pc.

January 18, 2009 10:34 AM

Just wanted to let you know that 2 days after I got my computer back, it is having the same problems. First is starts locking up, then it starts freezing. Then when you restart, Windows doesn't load. Tried to do a restore and it worked for about 1/2 hour. Now, I am right back to where I started with a computer that doesn't work. I use my computer everyday and this is becoming a hassel. Either it doesn't work and I can't use it, or I will have to send it back, AGAIN, and I won't have it. As for poor air circulation...it sits on a desk with no obstructions to the back. Don't know what else to do with it, but the down time is killing me.

January 18, 2009 12:54 PM

I had the same problems. I thought it was static buildup on the RAM so I reseated it. Didn't fix the problem. Then I ran the hard drive diagnostics, both quick and full from the bios. Both passed. Then I ran the hardware diagnostics tool. That passed. Then I ran another ram test from Microsoft. That passed. I ran my recovery setup like 3 times. I still had the same problems. I then installed Windows 7 using the new install option and not the upgrade path. I have not had a lockup yet and I have had the computer running for about 3 days straight now. My first guess was the NVIDIA drivers, and while I still think they are problematic, I don't think they are what was causing the lockups. Then I thought it might be the audio drivers, so I disabled the enhancements, didn't work. I then suspected it was the SSDP Discovery service, but the computer was still locking up with this off. Now I think it may be one of the applications from HP that was causing the lockups, because, I do not have any of the HP applications installed, and like I said, I have been up for 3 days. Before I would get maybe 10 or 15 minutes at a time before lockup. But it's hard to say for sure whether or not that is the issue.

-Joe

January 24, 2009 4:59 PM

I think updating the office 2007 is causing the freezing, I installed windows 7 and it also freezes, but less than vista premium, I am still searching to solve this.

January 24, 2009 11:36 PM

Try disabling the TS software. I have no freezing problems since I did that. I also removed Norton. I use AVG. I disabled all auto updates on everything and all things that don't really need to run or schedule themselves to run. And I don't use Aero, I'm using more of a classic color scheme. PC is running smooth.

You have to tweak this thing like crazy. Open everything and turn off auto updates on everything. Kill the unnecessary running processes.

January 25, 2009 7:29 AM updated: January 25, 2009 7:29 AM

Thanks, Carrigon, but this morning I think I know where is the problem.
First, MS Office 2007 is not, because the TS freezed without having it installed.

Now I know, I remember always, after updating the TS, then it started freezing, but yesterday I forgot to open or updating the webcam software, and guess what after doing it, this morning my pc was unusable.

DIAGNOSTIC HYPOTHESIS:
CYBERLINK YOUCAM SOFTWRAE + UPDATE PATCH IS FREEZING MY TS IQ186

I would like to confirm this, if other have the same problem.
Thanks

January 25, 2009 11:26 AM

I was typing a reply here as to how I had managed to cure most of my freezing except when running multiple gfx heavy applications when it froze up again, just running a browser..

What I did to that made it much better and reduced the freezes was run HP update and install *only* the vista hotfix.

Will play with some others to see if I can improve things.

February 5, 2009 7:05 PM

Well I just picked my IQ816 up last week and shortly after all the updates it too was freezing up. For some reason the registry editor was running and my TouchSmart Notes was being deleted. I did a couple of restores to try and get the application running to no avail.
What I noticed was that the computer was running just fine. I tried to crash it and was not successful (that is a good thing).
Nest I got ahold of HP Support and they showed me how to get Notes back and yes the computer started freezing again. I went and uninstalled HP TouchSmart Notes and my IQ is running fine. The Windows hand writing still works and I am Ok with tmy fix.
If you don't need to use the HP TouchSmart Notes then this might help until HP comes up with a better solution.

Lost in my own little world, Randy

February 18, 2009 9:14 PM

Turn TouchSmart off and the CPU might work, see here:

http://www.touchsmartcommunity.com/forum/thread/311/Keyboard-and-Mouse-Freeze...

February 19, 2009 12:44 AM

Yes, I did turn off the auto start for the HP TS, in fact I uninstalled the "HP TouchSmart 2.0" program from the computer (it can be reinstalled by the "Recovery Manager" if and when I need or want to use it).

I am using the side bar and have the CPU gadget on and can see what kind of power is being used. When the computer slowed down I could see that major power was being used and open the Task Manager to check on the programs using power.
Sure enough a HP TouchSmart group of programs were all running at the same time trying to do something with IE [*32 exe (?)]. I killed them all and the computer ran better. Thus uninstalling the TouchSmart program became the cure-all as the other HP programs don't work without it.
I did have to reinstall my new wireless HP printer after this, but that could be another problem.

No more freeze ups, I am still using Norton (trial version) on the Vista 64 bit system with Windows Defender and IE 7.
Oops, I forgot, I have never used the key board and mouse that came with the IQ816 as it would be too uncomfortable for me to use. I am using a Logitech Wireless Wave keyboard and mouse.

I did buy the IQ816 touch screen for the big beautiful screen not the HP TS software, although it would be nice to be able to use it when I am bored.
I am hooked on the Touch as I want to use my finger not the mouse. On other screens I chuckle to my self when I try to use my finger instead of the mouse.

I hope this information helps others with a similar problem (to get the freeze-ups out of their computer) and that HP fixes the power demand of the HP TouchSmart 2.0 program. Maybe a quad processor?

Lost in my own little world, Randy

February 19, 2009 8:29 AM

Then the entire product is defective if the marquee system causes freeze ups?

But if I take out Touchsmart completely won't that hinder Touch or is Touchsmart just that optional graphic interface garbage that comes with the system?

February 19, 2009 1:03 PM

The TouchSmart software is just an application developed by HP to make touch more friendly. I'm sure it is also a marketing tool, but thats another story. Anyway, you can uninstall it if you do not use it. You will still have touch supplied by the nextwin drivers. However, you should be aware that Windows Vista does not have any concept of nor does it support touch at any level.

-Joe

February 19, 2009 1:23 PM

I like what I am hearing about Windows 7. I will have to run W7 when it comes out and then try the HP TouchSmart 2.0 program again. But, I feel that Vista is not the problem, as stated before, it is power hungry.

Lost in my own little world, Randy

February 19, 2009 1:28 PM

I don't know what HP has planned for Windows 7 but the application they have now is not really relevant on Windows 7. I can't see them spending money developing a product if they do not have a sizeable user base, thats just bad business. Unless, like I said, its more of a marketing strategy. But anyway, the taskbar in Windows 7 pretty much does what the TS sofware does now, at a low level.

-Joe

February 19, 2009 7:46 PM

jonlevy1 said: Then the entire product is defective if the marquee system causes freeze ups? But if I take out Touchsmart completely won't that hinder Touch or is Touchsmart just that optional graphic interface garbage that comes with the system?

I disagree.  It works fine on my Touchsmart.  You have to take into consideration that a lot of people here find this site because they are looking for solutions to problems that they have with their touchsmart.  If you look at the number of members her vs the number of touchsmarts sold and then count the number of members who are having problems, it is a VERY small percentage.

The touchsmart interface is what makes the touchsmart.  Before I got my TS, I had a relatively powerful PC with a 19" touchscreen LCD.  I never connected the touchscreen mainly becuase it was more convenient to use my mouse.  My Touchsmart IS a very nice 25" monitor and I was a bit befuddled about how to make it fit on my desk, but once I realized that sitting at the front of my (roll top) desk was a great place for it to be and I use the touchsmart app a lot.

Now, we are here to help.  We may not all have the solution but we can work together an pool our collective knowlege and experiences to fix the things that go wrong.  With a Windows based PC, that can be  a lot.  You have to look at the other programs that are running such as nortons or Mcafee which are also both resource hogs.  Also, why is IE using 320mb of my memory? Is it becasue a Java Plugin didn't let go once the app was exited.  Did it relaunch itself and take up another 320mb again when I opened my browser?  Its things like that that add up and have an affect on the overall experinece.

Currently, I have IE (with 3 tabs), windows live mail, and touchsmart running and my CPU is at 5% and my physical memory is at 37% (of 4 gigs).  It usually stays that way.  It does peak and slow down at times, but that is usually a Windows issue.

David

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/xz550rj/HPMagicGiveaway.jpg

Woohoo! I won my Touchsmart!

February 19, 2009 11:00 PM

I have a iq816t that has been freezing up also. While reading email (gmail account) it will say that the program is not responding. Sometimes, if I wait a long time it will suddenly start working again.

I had a lot trouble even booting up the system. I would sometimes see Disk Errors asking I do a CNTL-ALT-DEL. Sometimes I had to repeat this to get it to boot. I also got a lot of Startup Recovery messages. (It just froze while typing this reply, I waited 5 minutes and it came back!) I have done a complete system rebuild. I have done several system restores. HP needs to find a fix for this.

I have run the complete hardware diagnostics with every test passing. (just froze again, waited for a while and it came back!!)

I will call HP tomorrow. I have only been using it for a little over a month. It only started acting strange about a week ago.

February 20, 2009 5:59 AM

I managed to fix my issue by recovering the machine to factory, losing a load of stuff and while I was at it, disconnecting and reconnecting the HDD..

That was over a week ago... This morning. it started freezing again. No updates had been installed, I will try to reseat the HDD again today and see if that solves the problem. If not, it's going back to HP and I will demand a newer model..

February 22, 2009 3:19 AM

Well, the HDD connection cables seem to be stuffed in at an angle that seems to me will put pressure on the plugs, sort of pulling them out of the socket. I reseated them but there's not really any other way of feeding the cables to them from the motherboard so that "pull" effect is still there. ANd lo, within 2 hours of doing the work, the system froze again. Then last night, I got on bootup.. "SAMSUNG HDJetc etc is about to fail, back up your important data ASAP. F10 for set up, F2 to continue". Going into F10 and trying to run the smart disk checking software fails instantly with an error 8. :\ Yet when I did these checks last week, the HDD came back as fine. Will call HP tomorrow and ask for a new HDD, though the first time it crashes, the whole unit goes back after that.

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