Try the tablet input panel and pen flicks, see if there are settings there.
Try the touchsoft settings, too. Just go through all the programs on the pc, eventually you'll come across it.
Hello! I recently bought a TouchSmart tx2-1020us, which came out here in the states just a week or so ago.
I am a graphic artist, and so naturally I installed photoshop, but also installed Corel Painter Essentials 4, which came included in the box.
Here is the problem I am facing: when I draw with any tool in these programs via the stylus on the screen, no matter how little or how much PRESSURE I put on the stylus, I get NO variation of the thickness of the line I draw.
HOWEVER, everytime I use the laptop's little inbuilt tab feature that allows me to write by hand and have it recognize my characters, it DOES show a thicker line the harder I press. Unfortunately, this is the only place I am able to get any kind of pressure sensitivity.
Not being able to get ANY pressure sensitivity in Adobe Photoshop CS2, Adobe Photoshop 7.0 (yes I even tried older versions), or Corel Painter Essentials 4 is a HUGE problem for me.
I even plugged in my old Wacom tablet to the USB port, used its respective stylus on its pad, and noticed that STILL- I get no pressure sensitivity! That bit reaaally confused me- it makes me think that there *has* to be some setting somewhere to turn on pressure sensitivity, but I am at a loss here. I could really use some help. :(
Since posting this, I've tried every option I can think of:
-I've toggled the pen flicks on and off, no difference.
-I've made every possible adjustment (without losing track of the original settings) of the Pen tool in the control panel, no difference.
-I've gone into the Photoshop Brush editing section titled "Shape Dynamics", where one can directly turn on or off the "Pen Pressure" feature, and I've turned it "on" but get a little yellow triangle next to it when I turn it on, telling me that "Pen Pressure" is not currently available.
-I've made every possible adjustment (again without losing track of the original settings) in the "Tablet PC Input Panel" options
-I've downloaded the latest drivers for my tablet and for Wacom support for "tablet PCs" from their websites
-I even called the HP customer technical support line, got a guy who said they basically aren't responsible for any of the associated software and couldn't give any help on this regard, which sounded like a huge feed of BS, but whatever, didn't expect much help there anyways.
I'm desperate to get this to work... please help :'(
I have also just bought the same computer. I also tried the same things. I have pressure sensitivity only in the side hand writing tab thingy. I also just installed my tablet from my old computer and had the same problem. I only bought this computer to draw with and I am unable to do that properly. I have also talked to my friend who has an older HP tablet pc and hers does have pressure sensitivity in Adobe Products. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Go to Adobe's site and see if there is anything about it over there. I use Corel, too, but I haven't had a chance yet to really use the latest version with this pc.
oykawoo said: I have also just bought the same computer. I also tried the same things. I have pressure sensitivity only in the side hand writing tab thingy. I also just installed my tablet from my old computer and had the same problem. I only bought this computer to draw with and I am unable to do that properly. I have also talked to my friend who has an older HP tablet pc and hers does have pressure sensitivity in Adobe Products. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I feel your pain, friend. I am as dismayed as you. I am happy though that we at least have pen pressure present in the side tab thingy, as that tells us the laptop *should* be capable of it; if only we could figure out how.
Carrigon said: Go to Adobe's site and see if there is anything about it over there. I use Corel, too, but I haven't had a chance yet to really use the latest version with this pc.
Could you link me to this Adobe site?
I've tried it with Corel Painter Essentials 4, and can't find anything to fix it. I tried Corel's Brush Tracking feature (Edit -> Brush Tracking) which seems like the correct (and only) place to test & adjust pen pressure in Corel, and it is completely unable to detect any change in pen pressure in that subfunction.
Today I called both HP customer support and Corel customer support.
The HP representative tried helping but couldn't really suggest anything other than it being an issue with the respective software due to the fact that the presence of pressure-sensitivity in the HP side-tab letter-recognition application, which implies that the laptop itself is indeed capable.
The Corel customer support could really only suggest I download the latest Wacom driver after I presented my situation to him; I have already downloaded the latest Wacom driver for Tablet PCs and unfortunately it has not helped fix the problem.
I sent a lengthy email describing the problem in its entirety to Corel's technical support anyways, maybe a "team" of support staff can figure out what is wrong, especially since I pointed out in the email that their very own product, Painter Essentials 4, is included with every one of these HP TouchSmart Notebook PCs, and they're bound to start getting a flood of technical support calls/emails of frustrated customers trying to solve the very same problem I am facing, so they might as well figure it out and solve it now, hehe.
I'm thinking that, because the HP's own application works with pressure sensitivity recognition, there ought to be digital drawing software somewhere out there that can do the same. So far I've tried:
Adobe Photoshop 7.0
Adobe Photoshop CS2
Corel Painter Essentials 4
and openCanvas 4.5
All to no avail. I'm interested in what other software people have tried or can recommend I try so I can see if I can find any software that will work with this laptop.
I checked Adobes site and didnt find anything helpful.
Thank you so much for all the work you have done to try and help solve this problem.
I have tried the following programs.
Adobe Photoshop 7.0
Adobe Illustrator CS2
Adobe Illustrator CS4
openCanvas 1.0
Im also glad that there is obvious pressure sensitivity.
Im so sure there is an option somewhere waiting to be switched on allowing all programs to experience the pressure sensitivity. I just hope we can find it soon.
I have the EXACT same problem - I got this laptop (tx2z) knowing that it had pressure sensitivity built in - Much to my dismay as I am unable to get it to work in photoshop. Are either of you running Vista 64? I am, so I hope that's not the issue!
edit: BAD NEWS
So it turns out that because our touch screens (well mine anyway) are developed by N-trig as opposed to Wacom, there is NO current photoshop support for pressure sensitivity from my limited research. What I read is that Photoshop is designed with Wacom in mind (as Wacom was the only pen input for a while) and N-trig uses different drivers. Additionally, N-Trig digitizer pens seem to have less pressure sensitivity (256 layers) compared to Wacom (1024 layers) and don't measure tilt or rotation.
Thanks for the information, Nick; very revealing.
I guess this explains the problem in its entirety. The only step towards solving our dilemma now, it seems, will be for N-Trig technology to either produce a driver to make it compatible with some digital drawing software, or produce their own software for digital drawing that includes pressure sensitivity. I sent them a lengthy comment on their website (www.n-trig.com), outlining how huge this issue is to every graphic artist who purchases this great-deal Notebook PC and/or uses N-Trig technology, so hopefully they'll get enough incentive to do something about it. I also sent them an email to hands-on@n-trig.com, which seems to be their customer support email.
That being said, comments and emails submitted to them by others as well can only help our cause. Here's the direct link to their page where you can submit such a comment, scroll down to the bottom:
http://www.n-trig.com/Content.aspx?Page=Bulletin_Board
And again, here's their email:
hands-on@n-trig.com
Here's the specific email I sent them myself:
Header: "Important issue with N-Trig technology and digital art software, please take the time to read..."
Body: "I recently purchased the HP TouchSmart tx2-1020us Notebook PC. Through using it, I have discovered a distinct lack of any kind of pressure sensitivity feature in all artistic software applications I have tried running (Corel Painter Essentials 4, Adobe Photoshop 7.0, Adobe Photoshop CS2, Adobe Illustraitor, openCanvas 4.5). It has come to my attention that these applications support a more Wacom-enabled interface for pen pressure technology, which just so happens to have 1024 layers of pressure rather than N-Trig's 256 layers of pressure.
256 layers of pressure is certainly still workable, however, if N-Trig-associated pen pressure were an available feature in a given graphic drawing application. I am an artist myself, and the lack of pen pressure in these applications is a huge issue, and is not something I can simply overlook if I plan to use the notebook for any kind of graphic art.
It is my hope that N-Trig will release a driver update to fix this issue, or provide a digital drawing application that can use the N-Trig technology, including pen pressure sensitivity.
This is an issue of huge importance to likely every graphic artist that purchases this notebook PC or any N-Trig technology that incorporates a stylus. I emphatically stress that this issue be solved in some way.
Thanks for taking your time to read my comment, I hope something good can come of this.
Sincerely,
-Tom Haid"
Hopefully we can really get this ball rolling and fix our problem before it becomes a huge issue for every graphic artist that purchases this Notebook PC (which, by the way, seems to be appearing in several stores lately at great deals).
Well put Tom,
I plan on continuing to look and if something comes up I'll post it here. I'm hopeful for changes however because N-trig's popularity is now booming - They have recently secured a deal with Microsoft for the use of multi-touch technology in Windows 7. I will also be looking for 3rd party apps which may support N-Trig. Good luck
Good luck to you as well. I will also continue to report my findings here. I plan to call HP technical support today to inform them of the entirety of the situation, assuming they don't know (well, so far their tech representatives I've already spoken with have no clue...) and hopefully by informing enough separate parties with relation to the same issue, things well get done right sooner than later.
I have found software that recognizes pen sensitivity for N-trig.
It's called Autodesk Sketchbook Pro
It has a simple, rather intuitive interface and you can create your own tools to customize how it responds to pressure. It can also do layers but I haven't tried them yet. It's certainly not photoshop so I'm still trying to figure out if I like it. It costs $100 but you can try out the full version for a couple weeks.
I also tried GIMP but despite going through the processes to enable tablet use I can't get it to recognize our tablets. Let me know if HP or N-trig ever respond!
That really stinks. I really hope that they make an update for the pressure sensitivity to at least work with Adobe products because they arent cheap and right now I am unable to use them as I would like.
I agree. I just realized that Sketchbook pro can't do text! It's really frustrating to try and use a new program when I just want to use Photoshop with my tablet. Granted, I'm only doing design as a hobby and I've never used tablet functionality before so I don't really know what I'm missing. I can still use photoshop the way I used to in the past, but I would like to do some drawing at some point. *sigh*
I find it great news though that you've found a program that works with the TouchSmart's N-Trig pressure sensitivity. I downloaded a trial version of Autodesk Sketchbook Pro, and it's not that bad. If you want to add text, you can always save it then reopen it in Photoshop, assuming you won't need pressure sensitivity for the text function, edit it with text, then save it again. It's a bit round-about, but it's not that hard to have both Sketchbook Pro and Photoshop open at the same time, saving and swapping a file back and forth between them I suppose; well, at least it's better than nothing at all.
I received an email response from the hands-on N-Trig support:
"Dear Tom,
Thank you for your mail.
DuoSense does support full pressure-sensitivity. For example, if you open Microsoft Journal, and select Tools => Options => Pen Settings, there is a Pressure Sensitivity checkbox which can be selected, and doing so enables full pressure sensitivity in all supported applications.
Other examples of applications that support pressure sensitivity with DuoSense, are the Windows Office applications, the ArtRage graphical application to name but two.
Regarding your issue concerning specific software that does not support DuoSense pressure sensitivity, such as Photoshop or Corel Painter Essentials 4, we recommend that you consult with the Customer Support department of that software's manufacturer.
Thank you for visiting our website and taking the trouble to contact us.
Kind regards,
Debbie Gold Hadar
Business Development
N-trig Ltd."
I haven't heard about ArtRage before, but it looks somewhat interesting on their website(s). I'll look more into it when I get a chance.
I downloaded ArtRAge Starter edition as it's free, and it's pretty fun. Similar layout to Autodesk with a couple differences. One thing I found enjoyable was the experience of using the paint brush as it mimics having actual paint - the brush color is thickest at the outset and lessens as its absorbed in the canvas - pigments mix realistically with each other, as does writing with a pencil over the painted areas. Also the full version is pretty inexpensive compared to some programs.
@Alexander:
I know that Wacom pens do not function on N-Trig tablets as the technology is inherently different. Also, the Dell Latitude XT is N-Trig and the pen bundled with that has 2 buttons, so it's likely that other pens are available. I didn't have much luck when I searched the N-Trig website but I didn't look very hard.
Alexander said:
with the Artrage Starter Edition you get the pressure?
Yeah, without having to set any options either - it worked immediately after downloading.
RE: the state of adobe
So I contacted N-Trig and got almost the same email back that Tom did. I've been posting on Adobe forums but have received little helpful support. One guy suggested that I ask N-trig for my money back. I'll continue pestering adobe to add recognition for N-trig but in the meantime I'm going to work on getting GIMP to recognize our tablets. GIMP is an image editor that I've been using for only a little bit but seems pretty powerful. It's open-source and has a pretty strong development community so its more likely that I can get some success there rather than with adobe.
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